December 27, 2018
Signature Sandy – Sandra Bernhard on her Holiday Show, 'Pose,' and 'AHS'
Robert Nesti READ TIME: 10 MIN.
The week between Christmas and New Year's means one thing for Sandra Bernhard: Joe's Pub. For more than a decade now, the iconic raconteur and singer has performed two shows a night through New Year's Eve, this year with a show she playfully calls "Quick Sand." (For more information about the show, Reviewing a previous holiday show, a critic for Variety wrote: "What makes Bernhard" s="" comedy="" so="" rare="" –="" whether="" she's="" philosophizing="" about="" Taylor="" Swift's="" squad="" or="" singing="" Dolly="" Parton's="" "Hard="" Candy="" Christmas"="" imagined="" by="" Caitlyn="" Jenner="" –="" is="" that="" within="" every="" keenly="" observed="" pop-culture="" rant,="" there's="" an="" element="" of="" piercing="" truth."
In past years Bernhard would travel with the show to cities around the country in the New Year, but not in 2019. Instead from February through May she will be shooting "Pose," the highly acclaimed Ryan Murphy series that she joins as a series regular as AIDS nurse Judy Kubrak, a role she introduced last season. This season the story moves to 1991 at the height of the epidemic in New York, so expect this no-nonsense character to play a larger part in the story.
She also had a spectacular turn on an episode of Murphy's "American Horror Story: Apocalypse" in which she played a storefront minister with a twist' target='_blank'> instead of worshipping Jesus, she leads her followers – in an over-the-top Bernhard manner – in worshipping the Devil.
In addition, Bernhard continued with "Sandyland," her daily radio show on SiriusXM's Radio Andy channel 102, which has introduced her acerbic style to a new fan base and won her a Gracie Award.
EDGE spoke to Bernhard recently.
A marathon of holiday madness and fun
EDGE: Another holiday season, another show at Joe's Pub. It is always different. What can audiences expect this year?
Sandra Bernhard: Yes. It's my marathon of holiday madness and fun. And, yes, every year is different, but it is more tonal thing from year to year. External forces dictate the mood you are in. During this whole crisis with the administration, I try to keep it very upbeat and positive and I think things are paying off after the mid-term elections. I think things are turning around and it is not great, but it is better than it has been six months ago. I want to entertain people. I want to bring them up and bring them out of their doldrums. The daily plummeting you get from being engaged in the world that this man is putting us through. I want it to be fun and crazy and kooky and fast-paced. Signature Sandy.
EDGE: On that positive note, what excites you these days?
Sandra Bernhard: I have so many guests on my show "Sandyland," which I will be cutting back to one day a week when they start shooting "Pose." I still have my finger in my pie with my show. It is just my guests I have on my show, like Kate Bosworth. She and her husband (writer/director Michael Polish) have self-funded a narrative film ("Nona") about the sex trafficking from Central America. She is bright and knowledgeable and willing to put herself out on the limb with this subject matter when she could be just another actress just phoning it in. I just meet so many great, cool people that in the trenches in so many different and unique ways, that excites and inspires me. That's the latest example of someone that surprised me. I was so impressed.
EDGE: Why did you call the show "Quick Sand?"
Sandra Bernhard: Because it is just fun. When you are doing a new show every year in New York it has to be something that catches people's eyes. Titles like "Without You I'm Nothing" and "I'm Still Here.. Dammit," those are hard to come by. And those are also shows that I knew would be a long time in the making and would run for a long time. Now I don't really have time to do that, nor is it my goal to do a show on Broadway or off-Broadway because I got too much else to do. It's just not what I want to do right now. So when you do a one-off show or if you go on the road and do something fun and fresh, you come up with cute titles.
Why 'Quick Sand?'
EDGE: So you are not making a comment with the title, like we are slipping into quicksand?
Sandra Bernhard: No. If anything, it is about the pace that I am always at, not in the quicksand that is dragging us down but in the quick Sandy of life. I am always on the go, my mind is always on the go, so I thought that was a fun next step in the "Sandamonium," "Sandra Monica Blvd." trilogy. Maybe next year I will get off of that and come up with something else. You never know what is going to pop up.
EDGE: Congratulations on becoming a regular on "Pose..."
Sandra Bernhard: Thanks. I am a series regular now and they're going to build a whole story line around it because we are jumping to 1990 when the AIDS crisis was at its pinnacle.
EDGE: In lieu of all of that and with the passing of George Bush, there was a lot of talk about his lack of action on AIDS. What is your recollection of all of that?
Sandra Bernhard: My recollection of all of that is the government under Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr. did absolutely nothing to speed along research and support for finding any sort of alleviation to the disaster that AIDS was. As far as I can tell, they were completely detached because of the whole gay aspect of it. If it had affected straight white men they would have found something right away, I am sure. But there was contempt and a dismissal that was shocking and disheartening and terrible.
EDGE: The other Ryan Murphy thing was your absolutely brilliant performance on "American Horror Story: Apocalypse" in which you played a storefront preacher, but one who leads her congregation in worshipping the Devil.
Sandra Bernhard: I Thank you. I know. That was really wonderful. Ryan Murphy is great about the cross-pollination of different shows. When he wrote me and asked me to do it, I was like, "hell, yes." It was so fun and crazy. I just thought it was so flashy and fun. It was a great role on a great episode.
EDGE: Did you write your part? It sounded like you did.
Sandra Bernhard: No. Because Ryan has known my stage work since the 1980s and he just got it. It was as if I had written it. And he said just go for it in the way you would go for it if you were performing on stage. I had total "carte blanche" to do whatever I wanted it. It was so funny because if I was going to write a character like that, that is how I would have written it, so I was flattered. But, funny, I didn't watch much of the show because it scared me.
Working with Ryan Murphy
EDGE: You often tour throughout the year. Will "Pose" impact your touring schedule?
Sandra Bernhard: I will be doing dates, but for four months I won't be doing anything. I will be shooting "Pose" from February to the end of May, so there won't be any traveling. I will be hunkering down, working on my lines, getting up at four in the morning and giving it my all – 1000% percent. And it is great to be shooting in New York. It is incredible working from my home base. I get time off, but don't have to get on a plane to go home. So not only am I on one of the great shows on television, I will be home at the same time every day, which is a double-whammy of greatness.
EDGE: What did you think of "Pose" when you first saw it?
Sandra Bernhard: I loved it right out of the gate. It is just a terrific show, with our without my participation. I am addicted to it. I think it is just so emotional and deep and captures the time and goes underneath the characters in a way that I haven't seen. I am just blown away by it. To get to be part of it is awesome. Everyone who is part of it is fabulous. All the ladies – newbies – are really talented. I am happy to be part of it.
EDGE: What is it like to work with Ryan Murphy?
Sandra Bernhard: Honesty, I didn't work with him at all. Janice Moss, who is one of the creators of the show, made her directorial debut with this episode and he wasn't around. He was back in LA, so I didn't get to see him. But I am sure in the upcoming season, he will direct an episode so I will ge to work with him. I met him and I know him, but have never been with him in a work setting, so it will be very interesting to get to work with him.
EDGE: Any other television coming up?
Sandra Bernhard: I just shot a really great show that is on Starz called "Sweetbitter," which is based on this woman who comes to New York to work in the restaurant business. It is in its second season. They wrote this great role for me to be the owner of the restaurant, so I am on that as well.
Her own show
EDGE: What about starring in your own show?
Sandra Bernhard: I do. I am supposed to go out to LA in January to pitch something I have been working on for a few months now. I have pitched many things, but maybe the timing better right now since I have higher profile. We'll see if this one comes together.
EDGE: With your daily "Sandyland" experience slowing up, what have you learn from the experience?
Sandra Bernhard: So much. To begin with, it has really expanded my audience. I think people who never had any idea of who I was or what I was about got a daily insight and connected with me. And it was an opportunity for me to be really open and really acceptable in a way that I was never able to because I was there and I was telling my story in a way that everyone can relate to. It still gave me the opportunity to improvise because I come every day and do an opening rant. I don't prepare it and it is really just off the cuff in my head. The show has been a very meditative experience. It has opened me up and put me on a different level in my abilities to communicate with people in a whole new way.
EDGE: Will Nancy Bartlett (the out character Bernhard played on "Roeseanne") be on "The Conners?"
Sandra Bernhard: I don't think that is going to happen. They have cast it with a lot of new people. I think they want to go in a whole new different direction to break away from what existed in the original show, with the exception of the main characters. I don't think they'll revisit the characters from yore, which I am fine with. I want to move forward. I am so thrilled to be doing Pose and what will come with the result of that. It is time to move forward and create really fully realized characters. That is what I should be doing now.
EDGE: Have you been able to catch any of the holiday movies?
Sandra Bernhard: I I have watched some screeners. I have to say so far "A Star is Born" is my favorite film of recent history. It is this great Hollywood film and Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper are incredible in it. It is romantic and heartbreaking. The music is amazing. I have seen it twice. I am a huge fan of that film. It is a big old Hollywood movie. And I would love to see Glenn Close ("The Wife") win an Oscar. It is about time. She has had such a great career.
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